670. - Shaad D'Souza

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? How long gone? How long gone? Podcast. They fucked up the fonts. Instagram's making changes. It's got my head spinning. I'm sorry for the confusion, Jason. Is it like new as of now? It's just like it came up as something. This is breaking? The default was a font that I don't recognize. So then I was thrown in the way you select has changed in my experience. But I'm not an IG expert. So your user journey is tarnished right now. My user J is tarnished. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, man. What's up, bro? How you feeling? I'm not really hungover, even though I got to sip in a bit last night. Just finished a nice dog walk out in the breeze, the 85-degree breeze. It's finally hot and sunny every day. It's good. And I'm going to go hit my last Pilates today. before we go to Newport, Rhode Island. Last Pilates for two whole days while we're in Rhode Island. I'll pray for you. I'll pray for you. Well, you know, I'm a house of cards that will tip and crumble at any given moment and even taking two days off. You know, two days off is two more days than no days off.

And I think you know that more than anyone here. You don't have to tell me. Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I don't know what a day off is, but I've heard that other people take them. I have heard that other people take them. That's when I go to Greece. Yeah, we know. That's more than one day. Have you been to Greece? You could have thrown some rocks around or something. You know what I mean? Really got gone local mode. Started pushing stuff. Thrown some rocks around. I did a few hill climbs. Some of their local tavernas, you had to take the stairs. Not tavernas. So I did a few wind sprints. After finding out what you actually did last night, I'm surprised you're not more. I would have to drink through that. So I'm surprised that you're not more hungover. Yeah. Well, I went to a media dinner. It was local emerging media talent, some friends of the show, some advertisers of the show. I don't think it was local or emerging, but it's very nice of you to put it that way. Okay. Well, some people were local. Some people were more emerging than others, maybe we'll say. But I did some networking. I'm the least emerging out of the group, just to be clear. But I make it look good the way I emerge. It was a Fisher Spooner song. I just remember that. I got drunk but not crazy. I was mostly just having white wine. You've got to keep it tight on a Tuesday night. You can't go too crazy. And I was driving. I feel like if you take an Uber to a 6 p.m. dinner on a Tuesday, you're either cool, awesome, and rich or an alcoholic. Yeah, that's kind of true. And I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm kind of right in between on that spectrum. You're at the intersection. No pun intended. Yeah, I went to Stella. I went to Stella, West Hollywood. It had some beautiful local produce, some pasta, some pizza. And I took a little dessert home for KK, a little lobster tail style. You took dessert home from a group dinner that was paid for by a corporation?

private equity but yeah that's a wild move i gotta say even for you that's a wild move um in that it has like broke boy tendencies not even broke boy no not necessarily broke boy tendencies just i would uncouth uncouth more uncouth than broke yeah that's what i would say i mean look i have no respect for the substack corporation i would take their dessert you know what i mean but I'll take your dessert. I'll take your damn dessert. My role at those types of things is not really for anyone to... I'm kind of like the sideshow. I'm kind of like the clown, the hired help to get the combo going amongst different bloggers. They didn't ask you to say a few words about building community on a new platform or anything like that. You just kind of were eating pizza. I was eating pizza, but I was in the middle of the table, so I kind of had running the convo responsibility a little bit. The heat is on you more so because it's like, what are you doing? It's like nothing. Well, you better be funny or cool or something because as a founder, I don't know how to talk to people in public, especially women. So I'm kind of leaning on you to get this party started. So that was my job. It's cool that founders... Kind of like a DJ. Founders communicate only through decks, so it is tough to kind of have a conversation with a founder. Unless you're giving them money, unless you're part of their seed round, they don't really want to have much to do with you. Yeah, I would say business-wise, they're killers. But conversational-wise, maybe we could say they're taking small swings. I think they're killers if... To use Founderspeak. I think they're killers if their bad idea eventually sells to a bigger corporation for millions of dollars. Until then, I think the body count is low. With exponential year-over-year growth? Yeah, with Y-O-Y growth? Then maybe I'll give it to you, but otherwise... It kind of felt good to do some cosplaying as a... business person in some ways where people like legitimately don't know who you are what you do so they're you know it is plausible that i could be someone that they're interested in talking to yeah no i'm sure they're interested to talk to you you're the most interesting person there and i'm not just saying that because i have to like i mean based on what i saw you know what i mean i'd rather talk to you and i talk to you every fucking day oh that's so sweet slay me i know i know i know how to butter him up you know um

I'm glad you had fun. I'm glad you had fun. Shout out to Paul from the infatuation. Here's my seat, man. Infatuation's like... We got to building. Infatuation's like eater for people who like infographics, right? Um... I don't know how infographic heavy they are. I don't mean they're infographic heavy. I mean it's the same type of person. Why would you go there versus somewhere else? I go there. I use it. I guess the reviews, it's not user reviews. They're vetted people who die anonymously. Some people have... Everyone has their opinions about every website. Actually, I'm with you. The fact that you like to use Yelp all the time, which I don't care what people that use Yelp think, but I do like that they vet their moles. Austin, my friend from Substack, he wrote something about doing a digital investigation of restaurants about the act where we're now able to use Google. yelp infatuation eater instagram and it's kind of like a investigative journalist private private eye style thing and you just sort of go like beautiful mind ghost protocol style and you look at their 11 different websites and you're able to sort of gain the essence and the aura of a business if you're just really good at it the same way that you know people like you can hunt down clothes or shoes or thing you know on ebay i know i this guy just finds everything on ebay he just has the sauce like you can kind of be like that with restaurants as well totally and get an overall i i like to think that i'm good at doing that but you are you are i've i've been i've i've benefited from that with you many times i i uh you're right it's kind of like it does take the fun out of it because you really do know what you're getting into you know before you get there

It's like a dating profile, from what I understand. You can see all the pictures, you know everything they're into, but it still could surprise you when you get there. That's true, yeah. I guess that's the beauty and the pain of a review of a restaurant. As long as our tastes align, me and the reviewer, then everything is going to be good. A good part about Infatuation is they'll have the same. If you find, like, this is my girl. This is my Asian food blogger chick. Yeah, I see what you mean. I'm going to follow her. If she says Mother Wolf is dope, I'm going to go to Mother Wolf. I'll probably like it. And then they'll also list like, here's what you ordered. Don't get this. Don't get this. Get this. Get this. And that's helpful. I'm looking for more binary reviews. I want yes or no. I think we should. That's what I'm looking for. I'm tired of the detail. I'm tired of the flowery language. I'm tired of... the person injecting themselves into it. Just give me a yes or no. Yeah, I guess. Would you go again? Yes or no. That's interesting that you say that. I know it's sort of a joke, but it's sort of the exact opposite of, like you said, the author injecting their personality into a restaurant review where nobody cares and nobody needs any of that. I think with the power of AI and data collection that has been happening to you. People will now be able to inject you onto the restaurant, and it's a simple yes or no. I know every single thing about Chris Black and his mouth and his palate, his digestion, his diet, his travel plans, blah, blah, blah. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. And then it's literally just, you know, you type in a restaurant, boom, Dave's hot chicken, and it just says no. Okay, easy, done. And I think that's the future of concierge services. David Cho, I hope you're listening. Yeah, I mean, that's honestly, that's not a bad idea. I'd prefer that than having to go through, you know, a thousand words before I see a C minus at the bottom or whatever. Nobody wants to hear, well, it depends. You're like, no, bitch, it doesn't. I work too hard for it to depend. Yes or no is where I'm landing on most things. We need a yes or no. That's my idea. Whereas I'm kind of more of a non-binary as it pertains to restaurant reviews. We have a guest today. For one time in your life, you're non-binary. We do have a guest today. Friend of both Jason and I. They have a guest today. Friend of the program.

Sean D'Souza, Melbourne local living in London. He's a music writer for all of your favorite publications from Pitchfork and The Guardian. uh to the new york times yeah you might you might catch him on the face podcast mate learning about british stuff and he'll he'll talk shit too that's one thing i like about i just spent a lot of time with i spent a lot of time watching shod put down the tall boys in the rain in the last couple weeks so let's check this cheeky little diva knows how to key and he's he's gonna key us up as a true young person he still parties which i think is really important for our society and it's it's deeply british but it's but it's also cool for everyone we need to protect our young people voices don't we chris especially ones who potty especially ones who shit on katie perry absolutely shod let's let's let's give shod a jingle all right this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded.

Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code how long to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. What's up? What's up? What does your shirt say? It says free Natalie. Who's Natalie? Natalie Maines from the Dixie Chicks. Oh, I see. Yeah. I recently bought it. I forgot you were a chick. Yeah, I'm a chick. And on the back, it says, I did the chicks, which is really not true in my case. But you haven't had a scissor. But yeah, this is my latest cop. It was very, it was too expensive. I think I should have, I should have bought it probably like a year ago when it was like 90 bucks. But it sent me back a pretty penny. How much are we talking for the Dixie Chicks tee? So the low low was $90. You did not spend $200 on this Dixie Chicks shirt that anyone could have made. Don't do that, Jason. Don't disrespect. It's on the vintage t-shirt. Would you say that to Justin Bieber's t-shirt dealer? Would you say you could have just made it yourself? No, you would not. That's true. He would never do that. He would never disrespect him like that. Free Dixie. This brings me to a great...

thing i wanted to talk about with you right off the bat because jason when i might have told you this but when shot and i were hanging out a couple weeks ago he told me that he goes shopping every day and that he can't help himself and he's not afraid to cop and that he likes to work in the morning and go shopping in the afternoon every day and i was like every day and he's like yeah basically every day and that just seems so you're just a housewife at this point it blew me away it blew me away i guess well i mean i'm not buying something every day i'm i'm but i'm am like going to places where i can like go to a shop every day basically um because here's something no one tells you about writing but that like people people aren't honest about this if you are like really efficient and good it's not taking you eight hours a day like it's just not i don't know what you're doing obviously if you're like a real journalist but like if you do what i do which is kind of like soft, soft journalism. You can be really efficient with those two morning hours and then in the afternoon you can hit all the different shops. I agree. Hit all the shops. But I want to be clear that the shops aren't selling produce and trinkets. The shops are strictly selling clothing. That's what I want to be clear about. Some of them are selling trinkets. I love trinkets. I love cute little things. There will never be enough little... little boxes to put all the amount of like small little things i have in there will never be there's not enough containers in the world for the amount of minis you're really giving asian mom right now shoddy i gotta say so i wanted to yeah i know it's it's complimentary in parentheses when you said shopping every day i sort of assumed that this was going to be primarily online but you are physically going to brick and mortar clothing stores At least five days per week? Yeah, I really hate online shopping. It's just not satisfying to me. See, that's the beauty of some of these, Jason, some of these young people, they surprise you. They want to be offline. You have a little cider. You like IRL experiences. I made a martini in preparation for alcohol. That martini looks like urine, but I'll take your word for it. It's mostly brined.

Yeah, you got me. I just pissed in a cup and now I'm drinking it. You're a pissy guy, aren't you? Yeah, kind of. You're martini. As you get older, you drink enough. Shad, you drink enough now to where we can start messing with that ratio of vodka to olive brine. We want to get that thing looking a lot more clear for 2025. Okay, sweetheart? Yeah, I mean, thank you. Thank you for that. That's really good advice from one generation to another. Wait, back to online shopping. I'm sorry, no one is really satisfied by online shopping. Like, you can't tell me it's satisfying. And also, if you're just online shopping, everyone's just too lazy to return anything, so everyone's wearing ill-fitting clothes. It's just not... I believe it needs to end. I'm famously anti-returns, but I will say that I agree with you on some level, but... When I go to my post office box and I have to fucking rent a car to get all the packages back to my house, I have to say that it's pretty exciting. I can't I can't lie. It's exciting. I mean, there's it's Christmas morning three days a week. Yeah, no, that's so true. But I mean, like you can still like I got I got this T-shirt. I got this T-shirt in the mail. You know, you can still get stuff in the mail, but like buying something new online. when you could just go to a shop and like buy it straight away i agree well in in london there are shops that's the difference like i actually went on sunday to chcm and bought this orally shirt i'd been looking at and it was so efficient because i knew what i wanted i walked in i found it i tried it on i was out in 10 minutes and it did feel good to have a irl experience yeah and you get to you know you get to pound the pavement you get to put on an outfit like you can really make a whole day of it it can it can become akin to a full-time job if you do it right Unpaid opportunity. Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's an unpaid opportunity. It's actually, Jason, it's a losing money opportunity more than it is unpaid. It's really good for exposure. It's huge. It's huge for exposure. We're able to pay an exposure right now. You get to expose my clothing brand on this paper bag. Do you have other friends that you link up with that also are jobless, or are you kind of doing this as a solo mission? Most of my friends are jobless. I mean, a lot of them are jobless. Shout out to the ones with jobs.

no i mean because it's really good time if you're just like shopping it's like i kind of explained this to the other day but i think i was kind of yelling and like drunk or whatever but like so like you're like shopping and you're listening to something whether that's like an album you have to like try and think about or absorb or like a podcast or whatever and you're shopping and it becomes so absent-minded that you're like really concentrating on say like the album you're listening to like if i have to review a record Then like shopping is a really good activity because I can't be like reading stuff while I do it. I just have to be looking at these like blobs of like color and shape and stuff. And then I can really think about the record. So it's kind of like a, we could call it like an artistic process. Don't talk about clothing like that. It's not just blobs and colors. I know exactly what you mean. And secondly, that's what exercise is for. Do I look like I exercise? Some of those coats are getting kind of heavy, Chris, and you have to slide them over. No, no, no. I'm saying that's, that's, I'm saying your eventual. You're going to eventually come to exercise as the place to do that as you get older. But also, you walk a lot, and that's a good time. But I think what you've created, because people tell me all the time podcasting is good for passive listening. I'm able to listen to Red Scare while I'm doing the dishes and cleaning the litter box and everything like that. But you're doing passive shopping because listening is your job. You have to focus on it. So the act of shopping is your... is your passive activity yeah which is pretty cool yeah thank you thank you so much for saying that yeah and i get to buy something as part of it as well so it's kind of like a win-win-win like i'm not just doing stupid chores or whatever you were you were sending me you were sending me some pretty lit items as well you were you like a it was a it's not like a i'm gonna go get a pack of white teas it's i'm gonna go get some experimental cutting edge fashion let me get some ashley williams knickers oh i i mean i wish i'm gonna get some cum jeans actually you know kind of like borderline sometimes i'm like you know the like margella piss jeans or whatever or like cum jeans or whatever i'm like

Kind of, like, not no. Well, it's a bit no for me because I would look like a buffoon, but it's a yes for you because you could actually wear them. It's to each their own. You can pull off, not everyone can pull off pissy pampers like you can, shoddy boy. Chris, Chris wears them. It's all wrong. It's all wrong. It doesn't work. It's established that I'm a pissy guy. Yeah, yeah. Maybe the piss team is kind of like natural. Kind of time after time. Yeah. We have proven that. If we're going to establish one thing, he's a pissy guy. That's for fucking sure. Chad, do you think pissing your pants is brat? It's so brat, right? Oh my god. Is pissing your pants brat? Oh my god. You know what? If I'm to take this question seriously, it's like... I guess like you are doing like way too many drugs and pissing your pants like is kind of brat. So like there's context in which I agree. I would argue if you're like three years old and you intentionally piss your pants to anger your parents, that is a Webster's definition of being a little brat. That's true. That's brat down. That's brat to the core. But that was more so a transition to talk about. brat with you one of our leading brat moms currently in the space thank you so much that i mean there's there's a lot of them there's a lot of people talking about brat are you talking are you talking about vice president cop mala harris or are you talking about other people i don't know i don't know i has she has she addressed brat i feel like she shouldn't she hasn't she hasn't addressed it but several middle-aged white news correspondents on msnbc fox and cnn have tried to unpack what it all means uh unsuccessfully they have to take everything from us they like us us meaning who every like i don't know cool people like i don't know the youth of the nation i don't know we are we are um but like like i think kamala is like funny and stupid enough to be good like without the brat edits like you know i think the moment something cool gets gets co-opted by kind of like a political like uh like a party politics thing it's just a bit like okay guys like we're a bit now because like my mom's gonna text me soon and be like yeah what is brat i heard kamala is brat and i'll have to be like no mom like don't worry about it like she's not brat like you know i don't know don't worry about it kitten okay yeah yeah exactly i'm this is the this is the top this is the peak of brad like this it can't go any further

I don't know. Once you touch presidential campaign, where do you go from there? The only step for it to go further is if Trump is like, you know what? I'm brat too. And then it's a double brat. It's a bipartisan brat. It's a brat off. It's a brat off in Washington. Because Donald can out brat her is the problem. I don't mean this in any like partisan way, but like Donald is objectively more brat than Kamala. Like, like objectively. Like, so it's, it's, you know, if he does adopt brat, then I think. that he's he's won you know it's over because like he just he you know his little faces and like the the little voices he does and making up nicknames you know he's really honest about his ops which like as we know charlie is on on brat like wow i think there's there's a lot of there's a lot of common links we can draw it's if being honest about your ops is brat then i guess i'm brat too i'm feeling pretty cool and is and are we saying opposition or opportunities because it could go either way opposition okay i'm i'm seeing i'm picturing trump doing a And there will be blood. He could, I drink your milkshake from Kamala. He can just take brat away from her. Maybe he should. I mean, I don't know. There's a long, how many, we've got like a hundred days till the election. I think it, I think unfortunately for, I think for big, I think for big Don, it's too. uh much part of gay culture for him to ever embrace it i mean but which is so i mean he loves elton john there's the classic tiny dancer video like we don't know hey so do i bro we're straight straight guys love elton john don't do that that's actually so true i don't really know any gay guys who like love elton john like that's because you guys don't respect your forefathers the way you should and that's something to think about true that's like honestly that's because because elton is in the eye of the storm you can't see him yeah oh my god Yeah, I'm a big Elton guy. I didn't actually know Don was an Elton guy. I mean, it makes sense to do it with his age, though. Yeah, and, like, I think he loves, like...

classic rock and stuff like that he's you know just loves a good song don't matter who make it apex twin stuff you're into stuff you're into it's like it's kind of like that it's the stuff that influenced sophie village people the classics oh he does love ymca right like he he like loves ymca i think he's an ally to the gays he's always he always surprises i don't think he's an ally to the gays i think he is allied to like the kind of guy who taps his foot twice under the stall to get a blowjob yeah behind closed doors he can't do it publicly yeah behind closed stalls but i've also heard that don listens to like john cage and like kind of experimental drone like 80s stuff there is no way that donald trump listens to john cage who told you that wait no but i i saw this thing and okay i fall for um I fall for like deep fakes and stuff all the time, like literally every day. But I saw this thing where he was like talking about Steve Reich. Is that real? Have I been got again? No, I think that's true. I think he means third Reich when he's talking about it. I don't think he's able to differentiate. That was a good, that was a nice snappy. Netflix is a joke festival. Here we come. We're ready. Netflix, put us in. I'm like John Mulaney with good music taste. What kind of music does John Mulaney like? Joyce Manor. Oh, you know, I could pick that for him. I mean, it was cool. It was cool of him to have Joyce Manor play on a TV show because that wouldn't happen otherwise. They played on his show. Yeah, they played on his show. These guys rock. Doing like an irreverent kind of like chatty kind of comedy show with a band. He's kind of like, stealing your bit like your your potential bit his was a little his was a little i didn't really like it very much we talked about a lot i thought it was a little too like conceptual for me like i'd prefer it to be a little more straight ahead just like a regular late night show kind of i just feel like that there's like i don't know why i just don't understand the need to like really experiment with make it like outsidery it just doesn't seem like that's the kind of canvas for that

in my opinion yeah i didn't i didn't watch it i didn't partake but i don't really you know what i'm saying jason right it was like a little it was like weird like we're gonna make it look like 70s pbs for 20 minutes and then it's you know it's like yeah that felt unnecessary to me yeah i remember that i i don't know what's gonna come with that show i mean i think it's a good step in a journey hopefully it'll pave the way for future programming like that because when it was good it was good that's true no that's true i mean it's cool they let him do it because it doesn't really i mean like any live tv yeah i guess because they did it that was the whole thing it was like live which of course no one watched it live and then you can just watch it whenever well we're paving the way because joe rogan has a live special next weekend on netflix oh really called burn the boats Is it four hours like his shows? Bro, he's going to go until he goes. He doesn't give a F what the producers say. The problem shot, and this is something I learned firsthand and spent my hard-earned money on, is that Joe Rogan podcast and Joe Rogan comedy are two different things, and they're both bad in different ways, but somehow the stand-up comedy is much worse. than the podcast. And one facilitates the other. He doesn't really interact with enough people to make jokes anymore, right? He like... He kind of just goes in his oxygen tank and kind of spends time alone for like 10 hours a day, right? It can't be good for comedic material. That's the classic problem of comedians. Once you reach that, you know, you got guys complaining about your private jet and your cold plunge filter overflowed and you become not relatable anymore. What's the deal with cold plunge filters? What is the deal with Lamborghini Gallardo Assisted Parking Services? What a pain in the poop. Have you seen these things? But I think that he... I think because the podcast is so popular and he has so many fans, he thinks that what he's doing is good enough because everyone will clap for him regardless. And he's just kind of stuck in 1994. Yeah, they'll buy tickets just to see their hero in the flesh. It's kind of like How Long Gone Live. When we show up, we don't really do much. Yeah, I love How Long Gone Live. I always have... The one in Melbourne, wonderful London.

great that was a good one melbourne was a really good one melbourne was a really and it was nice because it was a surprise because we truly had no idea what to expect people were like starstruck i think i think when when like an american comes to town everyone's just excited you know just a good feeling we we definitely benefited from just coming to town i know that i know that to be a fact yeah but this flat white's on the house big fella you know that kind of stuff it's good it's nice of good to see you the good people of australia to understand that it it is such a journey to get there that we're gonna buy your hats you know when you show up it's nice yeah it's really it's a generous it's a kind and generous people kind of uh yeah i mean kind actually we had a great experience but i don't know if you're known as kind no that's so true actually i okay would you guys agree that all new yorkers kind of hate australians yes yeah okay so Also, all New Yorkers hate Los Angelites as well, and Australians and Los Angelites are sort of two peas in a pod. Mushy peas in a pod. Yeah, well, so I'm in LA. I'm at the Black Cat, iconic LGBT venue. The Black Cat and Silver Lake is an LGBTQ plus A venue? It's an iconic gay bar. Oh, I didn't know that. I just remember when it rebranded for white people with BMW station wagons. Yeah, gay guys. Now it's an iconic date raping bar, but it used to be on the forefront of some... some civil right activism and in gay stuff okay so it's silver like stonewall who knew okay i'm sorry continue it is um i was at the iconic lgbt venue and i was talking to my friends having a cheeky aperol spritz yeah actually we were drinking martinis that were much less piss yellow than this but i was talking about we were just talking about how like I was like, oh yeah, New Yorkers hate Australians. And then this old guy who's like sitting at the bar next to us, we're like outside, sitting at the like outdoor bit facing outside. The picnic tables. Yeah. And the guy sitting alone next to us turns to me and he's like, um, I don't think that's true. And I was like, oh yeah, but you know, like generally like New Yorkers hate Australians. And he was like, um, I'm from New York and like, I just don't believe that's true at all. And it was the comedian David Cross.

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a lot of you and then you open restaurants and bars and stuff you guys are like hot blonde cockroaches you open the door one day and there's 50 of them on the floor yeah i gotta walk by two hands there's 10 hot guys out there fucking serving eggs i gotta walk by dudley's there's fucking 10 hot guys there it's just there's hot guys everywhere it's the hot guys and they're wearing travis scott t-shirts yes this is what i was saying i was like it's not malicious it's just like there are so many and they keep coming and it's just annoying and the comedian david cross refused to believe that any new yorkers could hate australia the only i mean they definitely do but i think it's also just kind of a joke like i you know what i mean i think it's like something everyone says also like i hate other australians in london like it's we're we're an annoying people objectively i i met a new australian recently i and a new australian entered my life and he does own a restaurant and uh but i like him and his restaurant and so i it's it's made me think differently like i would never go to dudley's i can't be seen at dudley's but i'll go to this bowl and dap up nathan and enjoy my healthy bowl from the shores of your island you just you just so you like you don't like first wave australians first generation australian immigrants you like maybe second wave australian cookeries well i'm i i notoriously like they've assimilated a bit i like hot guys it's just like third wave coffee yeah you like third wave australians but i prefer if you're offering me a good conversation in a healthy fresh bowl versus some eggs and sorority girls i'm gonna go with you you know but there's a lot of similarities i think australians and new yorkers are both very liberal with their cursing and their foul language i feel like that's a bonding point that that you people could maybe try out i don't say you people like you people yeah i i like when i was growing up and like you'd watch a movie and they'd all be like freaking out about like the c-word like oh my god like they called this person a c-word or whatever like in the movie it's like a plot point that like someone was called a cunt but it's like in australia it's like you're like six years old and you're like yelling that around like people just like say it but i feel like that's kind of like on the cricket field you're calling your competition a cunt i get it yeah i don't around willy-nilly it's like that's like one of our greatest exports maybe like people now are kind of like coming around

to its use just, like, in everyday language. No, it's changed. No, the attitude has changed. Cunt used to be considered, like, the worst insult you could say to someone, and that is not the case anymore. Now it's like, ooh, cunty. But that's not Australian, obviously. Do you guys get credit for that? I think of that as a British thing. Oh, really? Yeah. I thought it was... Oh, okay. It's both. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we got it from the Brits. Maybe once again, we're a country devoid of original culture. I think the Brits invented it and the Australians perfected it. That's really nice. That's probably fair, Jason. That's probably fair. Yeah, Kenny. So do you have a network of fellow Australians in London that you build with or do you try to avoid them like the plague? We've got like... So Liam and I hang out with probably like... six there's probably like six that we hang out with regularly but then there's like london australians so like people who live in like clapham people who live in like clapham or like shepherd's bush it's like they're not really like you kind of like it's like oh you're australian like brackets derogatory like it's just kind of a different thing you know because of where that what neighborhood they live in in london no they're considered like they're like australian enclaves they're like all like there's there's like hundreds or thousands of australians in those suburbs oh i oh i yeah yeah they're like every australian like will move to clapham so like we don't have any like of those okay okay okay so you're not with your immigrant brothers you're in whatever cool guy neighborhood you live in yeah yeah well it's not i mean i don't even know if it's considered cool anymore we're in london fields i want to move back to to south london where it's a bit like there's more i don't know here it's very like it's very like creative director around here don't come for us it's gonna take 45 minutes to get on the tube to get anywhere anyway you might as well just pick which but he he's too young to be living in a creative director neighborhood that's true he still needs to see people in life and thank you so much puke and piss yeah where where could you go what is the what is the shore ditch of 2024 oh my god i don't i don't know i don't know probably somewhere probably somewhere where i don't actually want to live but but actually

I've been working on a theory that, like, everyone cool now is, like, 40. Like, 40 is the new, like, 25. Hell yeah. Like, Caroline Polachek, nearly 40. Kalayla, I think she's, like, 41 or 42. MIA is, like, 50. You guys... Chris, I'm sorry. I accidentally referred to Chris as 45 the other day. He's 41. Yeah, I just feel like... everyone and i keep finding out that like people i think are really cool like 39 40 40 are there any other gay icons you could continue to name that are in that age range i like to re-regard with this i actually have a i have a list somewhere that i could i'll i'll dig it up later but like i've been working on this theory for a bit that like kind of like really cool people now are like late 30s mid 40s kind of thing because it's like it's kind of like cringe it's kind of cringe to be in your 20s no like like it's like okay like like oh i'm 24 i'm gonna wear a beanie with bunny ears on it like i just don't know like that's straight too far from god's light in many many many ways you make our 40 year old people of the last generation before minds were poisoned by whatever has caused us to wear bunny ear beanies in our mid-20s instead of when you're three wait what the millennial generation 40 year old people Are we the last generation of people who, you know, still had a childhood in an uncancelled culture world, you know, growing up without social media? Yes. Oh, I see. I see. No, absolutely. It's all social media. It all has to do with having a phone. Yeah. No, definitely. I mean, I remember when, like, when I was in high school and, like, everyone got phones, maybe when we were, like, 14, 15. I think it caused so much, like, psychic damage on... on everyone at my school and like around me it's just like i think it's like no it's not yeah wow that's a really interesting so do we call that sociological you got a phone when you're 13 or so and all of your peers had a phone like everyone has a phone you have a phone like in class like you're texting during science yeah well it's like you're like snapchatting it was it was like like you're like snapchatting i'm snapchatting tit pics

well actually this was like a huge this was like a huge thing it's like kind of it's like it's just crazy to think about but it's like there was like some girl at my school like sent like a nude on snapchat to someone then he like screenshotted it and shared it to his friends and like like this the school didn't know what to do and like the police didn't know what to do because there was just like no precedent for it it was just like what like what do we do here um and it's it's like it was just like yeah just like random it sounds like a degrassi episode what is she doing now i hope i hope she's doing okay she's obviously no longer with us i don't know i i should sometimes i like go on facebook and try and look people up but like it's like thankfully no one has updated their facebook profile in like six years so it's like really it's bad for me as someone who like has a lot of time to kill but you know good for everyone else i look at a lot of i look at facebook all the time too but updating it would be catastrophic it would just be like i like i think like Surely it's, like, a security risk at this point. Like, surely, like, the moment you set a Facebook status, like, bots will, like, come for you or something. I don't know. As soon as you press return. Yeah, I don't even really know what goes on there. Yeah, Chris still goes on Facebook. I like the sort of unspoken agreement that everyone, we all agree to never post anything and we just kind of use it to lurk. Which is a resource we need. When you guys got married, did you update your relationship status on Facebook? So people knew not to kind of, like, slide into the messenger DMs? I disabled my grinder, but I don't have that. That's not what I've heard. Well, you found it? Recently, someone from my high school era who had three kids, full marriage, posted on Facebook, we're ready to come out with our love, and she's now with some full-on ****. and they're like raising the kids together yeah i was just like damn this is crazy this is why can i not say that jason beat that out that's why okay i think you know pride month is over you're allowed to be as you're allowed to say whatever you want in july we're only allowed to say that word when when snail mail is on chris you know the rules oh i'm sorry i'm sorry

sorry it was just like it was stunning to me because i was like wow this is the biggest because you know the kind of the kind of chick that marries like a twerp and now she has gotten rid of the twerp and she's with this chick who's more manly than her ex-husband zero to a hero stud country exactly she went stud country mode and i'm proud of her i don't want a slice of cake i want the whole thing Sorry, go ahead. You should introduce her to the editors over at The Cut because I would love to read a 20,000-word article about that. Like, literally, I want to spend two hours reading an article all about her discovery of wanting to date a butch lesbian. That truly is a cut. That's a cut. That's a cover story. Let's not sleep on twerp death. Twink death is good, but twerp... uh visibility is important visibility is important and a lot of them are i believe in a similar position to this guy where they're having to search out new love at midlife which is hard yeah i'd love to know what the twerp is up to like was he closeted too like you know i think there's a lot in this story that like a really intrepid reporter could kind of uncover if your chick leaves you for a chick that's fine but if your husband leaves you for a dude that is not okay i don't make the rules explain explain that's just that i'm just saying that i'm just saying it's more palatable for a woman to leave you know what i mean like a dude palatable is the word we're using no you know what i mean jason you know what i mean it's like if you're if your wife leaves you for a guy that's got more money and better looking than you you want to kill yourself If she leaves you for a chick, you're like, oh, it's just a different flavor. There's nothing I can do about that. I don't have the hardware down there. My hands are tied. What am I going to do? Exactly. But if your wife and your husband leaves you for a man, you're never coming back from that. Well, I think if you're a wife and your husband leaves you for another man, every wife is like, I knew it.

yeah that's so you have a little bit of that everyone everyone is like i knew it i think that's the most like and it and it is like if you if you know it do you think you say you can't really it's kind of a rude thing to say you can't right that's kind of like not good it's like the it's like the meme like if you if i if i ever end up being gay i won't say it but there'll be signs it's like that kind of so you're saying you're saying you're saying if you're so you're saying if you're you're friend is married to a gay guy clearly you can't go to your friend and be like yo what's up with your gay husband is what you're saying yeah yeah i mean that's what we call it yeah in the industry like a like a blake lively ryan reynolds situation i need to watch out who alex is talking to because i don't want i i'm from a friend somebody's gonna approach and i mean she's so personable and warm i mean you know you just they'll be like hey so hey it was so nice to meet you also before i go your husband's gay so i'll see you i'll see you next time just think you should know have your wives i i'm really kind of obsessed with both your wives have they ever considered um doing kind of like a how long gone spinoff you could call it like a kind of like call her daddy for the tinned fish crowd like i think they could make a lot of money i think they hate this podcast more than anyone else probably deep down and i respect them for that well i've i've tried to pitch this idea to them the real housewives of spotify and they have not taken the bait just quite yet i know it would be so good The idea of that to them is probably pure hell. Real Housewives of Spotify is, in general, a good idea, though, for something. That's a good concept. I'm putting that on my bulletin board right now for later. All three of the guys from Smartless, their wives, ex-wives, husbands. We got Dax Shepard's Kristen Bell could be on it. Mark Maron's got a girlfriend, I'm sure. I got a deal at Amazon. I come in with my new Birkin. You're like, yeah, you know. Dax got his contract updated, and I throw a drink in her face. You fucking bitch. I'm only at Audacity or whatever. I'm only at Wondery. Get your little Wondery bitch out of here. Damn, Wondery. Wondery you pull up in the Civic. Amazon you pull up in the Bentley. There's going to be a clear differentiation between success. I like this.

That reminds me of the Real House Husbands of Hollywood, Kevin Hart's great show. Is that the gay guy show that they put on before Ripple's Drag Race, and then all the gay guys complained, so they took it off the air? I don't think, it wasn't a gay guy show. Oh, okay. It wasn't a gay guy show, but that's why it shouldn't be on before Drag Race, if that's what, like, it's not a good lead-in. No, I'm thinking of the, um... Kevin Hart's like, I don't know, no gay show. The real friends, the real friends of, the real friends of WeHo, the kind of, like, gay guys, housewives on MTV. And they made RuPaul's Drag Race episodes shorter so they could air it. And then fans complained so much that they just canceled the show and made episodes of RuPaul's Drag Race back to 90 minutes. Do you guys ever watch this show? 90 minutes is too fucking long. Jesus Christ. What is wrong with people? It is too long. They give us the disease so they can sell us the cure. Exactly, Jason. Exactly, Jason. Thank you for speaking up. Thank you. But I think, you know... RuPaul's Drag Race is like top chef for gays. You know, it's like, you're seated and you watch every episode. It's just what you do. It's like sport. And you have to be versed. It's like on all year round. Because there's like, when one season ends, like a new variation. begins so you can be watching it the whole year it's like when football's over aussie rules kicks in then it's then it's cricket exactly you know that's rugby yeah exactly it never ends but you do you follow sport a little bit don't you or you just do it for the drinking Slander? Excuse me. Or do you do it for the shorts? I would be drinking without the sports, and I would be wearing shorts without the sports as well. No, I only... That was a fun little... That was a cute little... I'm a writer. Yeah, I'm a writer. No, I watched the Euros. I unsuccessfully tried to get Chris to come watch the Euros. But I watched the Euros because it's like a short... tournament so it's like you can become really invested but it's kind of like a hard thing i don't know if you guys know this

kind of like stressful watching sports because you're like oh they're like about to get a goal and then they don't you just feel this like like stress like i kind of didn't realize the reason i don't watch sports is because when that happens i don't feel any stress i don't care at all about the outcome and that's why i know it's not necessarily for me yeah but um yeah i i've so i've kind of dabbled in like if there's like a big afl game like i'll watch the grand final and stuff but that actually is mostly an excuse to like drink and do drugs but like well so were you rooting for england in the euros shot yeah yeah kind of like against my better instincts but like yeah it's like you can't really if you're like going to a pub to watch it you can't really not root for england because like people will like kill you like people will literally kill you will drag you out by your knickers yeah exactly that could end in violence that could end in violence in a bad bad way for you yeah I had to put a jumper on over my Spain jersey. I love talking about drugs with you because I think last time I saw you, I couldn't find you at the DH2 party. And then I texted you the next day and you were like, I was like, oh, did you stay out late? And you're like, oh, yeah, I got home at three. I went to a second location. Yeah. And then I said, were you on drugs? And you were like, yes, you fucking idiot. Of course I was on drugs. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to stay out past like. 10. Sometimes 9 if I'm not on drugs. Also, yeah, but... 9? Damn, bro. You're just like me, bro. This is why I fuck with you. You can't even make it to dessert without a ball? I get so... I get so tired. I'm with you. I just... I'm like... Oh, my God. Yeah, Shao, what time do you wake up in the morning? What time do you wake up in the morning? 11? Actually, we don't have blinds. So like there was a couple of weeks, maybe like a month ago where I was waking up at like 4am and then going back to sleep for a little bit. But now it's kind of like a healthy kind of like, like I'll wake up. So this morning I woke up at like 6.30, went on my phone for like half an hour, went to sleep for half an hour and then got up.

properly at 7 30 okay that's that's actually that's that's earlier than i would have thought jason i'm sure you agree it is that's a good respectable early time so then during the day you're doing a 10k run or a crossfit thing then that gets you wiped out so you can't make it till 8 30 well no okay so i'm like okay so like average average day average like freelancing day it's like get up really early yeah walk us through get ready with yeah get ready with me how long gone get ready with me um so Because I'm, like, getting up early because, like, I'm also not filing an article until the last possible minute. So let's say that's, like, 10 a.m. the day of. That's, like, the latest you can file something. So, like, I'll get up at, like, 7.30, go to the cafe at 8, write for two hours or whatever until I'm finished the piece, file the piece. Then it's, like, what am I going to do? Then I go to Soho, go to my shops. Then by that time, it's the afternoon. And then I'm kind of like, I'm coming home, I'm lounging around a little bit. Where has the day gone? That's kind of the vibe. Like, honestly, you can just like, you can just pound the pavement. You can just, and this is like, okay, so if I'm like going to Dover Street Market. So you work 8 to 10 every day? Yeah, look, a good day will see me working like 8 till midday. And 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. Isn't it? I don't know where I heard this. So maybe I made it up. But, but. I thought that, like, everyone only has kind of, like, a few productive hours in them every day, and then the rest are just, like, faff. Yeah, I think that's... Oh, I think that's definitely... There's only two to four hours a day where I feel like I'm really firing. The rest of it, I'm, like, doing the stuff, but... Well, because some of us have to have calls and stuff, and, like... We don't get to just interview Kevin Parker about his APC collaboration and go to the shops. Those three hours of focused work are spread out for the entire day, and you knock them out in one chunk. But yeah, let's talk about APC-Kevin Parker collab. Which pieces do you have? Which pieces do you want? Which pieces do you hate? I actually... I should ask them to send me some of the product, because really, it was like... You can try. It was like...

i've interviewed him before and i guess it was like after a period of like really rigorous media training because i was like because when i interviewed him around his last album i was like okay you're kind of like you've got things to say you're kind of like dialed in this apc collaboration it's like he's literally like said like he it took him so long to say a sentence like he just had nothing to say about it it was just like i don't know i don't think anyone has anything to say about it i know well I mean, that's the thing, right? I made the tote bag orange. That's about, you know. I mean, we're done here. I don't understand Kevin Parker. I've never understood Kevin Parker to begin. But I also know that he just has a huge audience and that's all that really matters to some people. Musical genius. Musical genius. He's got one song. He's got one. Well, okay. I'm like a fan. Like, you kind of have to be a fan, I feel like, from Australia. But, like, I did the interview because I was like, one. most commissions I'm taking because I love money but too I was like he's like big like you know maybe he'll have interesting things to say about like because he did Glastonbury with Dua Lipa and um kind of like kind of like flopped like it was like pretty bad I had nothing interesting to say about that couldn't talk about the new album didn't really know what to say about his clothes it was like It felt like a real disaster. He doesn't seem like he brings the banter and the chat. No, but the thing is, he seemed really nice. I was like, oh, you seem kind of like a good hang, but you just weren't made to do interviews. Or maybe make clothes, for that matter. Who can say? He could talk about music and plug-ins and mixing and bass drums all day long, but when it's time to talk about a bucket hat... There's not a lot of water in that well. Things hurt to go south. Things hurt to go south. His passion is not burning. Most musicians aren't really good at chatting. So few people have genuinely interesting, coherent...

yeah valuable things to say because like they're saying everything like they're saying everything with the music but like that's true like they're kind of like saying everything with the the stuff they're putting out and maybe they're like doing that because they cannot coherently talk about other stuff so like i don't like but now musicians have to be good at conversation interviews it's it's it used to be like an optional thing like if you're a bad enough rock star you can just do whatever you want but nowadays like with the media cycle and press and hot ones and podcasts and rick rubin and everything you have to be also good at talking to sell yourself or you're not going to make it but i mean that was always the case right because people used to do they used to be like a million outlets and everyone would be like oh i only have to do 10 interviews for this album that's so small or whatever in like the 90s or whatever but like now it's now i guess it's just like because you have to like be on a podcast and like seem really fun and interesting unless you're at the top of the top like daniel day lewis level yeah you gotta you gotta you gotta tap dance nowadays and like some people are really good like like azalea banks obviously you say one thing to her she'll literally go for like 20 minutes and you'll just be like yeah cool charlie really great interview like kind of a better thinker on pop music than like most critics like like but then A lot of people, I think, just maybe are kind of like... I think some people are just so distanced from the world and culture and that kind of thing that it's almost reckless to put them in front of a microphone and be like, so what's your opinion on this thing or whatever? No, you're kind of right. I'd rather not hear from them because if I like their music and they fuck up, I'll never hear their music again. The Ariel Pink effect. We'll call it. Yeah. But then, you know, nowadays you can bring some new fans on if you have extreme viewpoints and you make breezy music. Although, like, have you been on his Twitter lately? Because it is, like, the most depressing shit I've ever seen. It's, like, so pathetic and sad. He's just always tweeting. He'll, like, tweet some, like, conspiracy theory and it won't even get, like, four likes or whatever. It's just, like... And, like, I...

i'm kind of like whatever my mom's getting more likes for her butterfly pick i'm like maybe you storm the capital or whatever you know like dedicated to bobby jameson like ripper album like i still want to keep listening to that but then like you know it's just like you watch his like tucker carlson interview or whatever and you're just like this just makes you seem not cool it's not that i it's not that i'm mad about anything like i'm like you're just not you're just kind of an edgelord but like now i just think you're like not cool and then you go on the twitter and it's like Dems will steal the election like they did last time. Two likes. I'm like, my man. We gotta stop. That is a little loser-ish. People forget about it. People forget about everything. But if you make it your thing, it's so... Yeah, it's real loser behavior. Ariel Pink should not have Twitter the way Bright Eyes probably doesn't have Twitter, and that's a good thing. I mean, I would love to see Bright Eyes Twitter. Ryan Adams does not use Twitter. Chill, chill, chill, chill. We don't talk about Ryan Adams in this podcast. Shad, you told me that you... Didn't you buy a piece from the MIA collection of... yeah like metal i got the did you get the silver bucket hat what did you i got the um i got the anti 5g bag i'm holding it up for the zoom sorry listeners at home so you have the anti 5g bag what do you this is a silver metallic kind of weekender weekender tote kind of thing is it a weekender it's not it's actually a bit smaller it's like it's kind of um it's like a it's like laptop size obviously because you want to stop your laptop getting those 5g rays um but i so have you guys looked at the collection it's kind of chic so everything that you put inside of that bag is protected from 5g is the selling point actually no so there's one pocket inside that is has a faraday cage and it is oh a what a what a faraday cage it's like it's like a special like thing that kind of like blocks

signals in and out of something and so there's hold on hold on so so if i put my phone in that cage does it not receive messages so it's not it's just a pocket and you slip your phone in and so it's like if i'm listening to a podcast so i'm listening to how long gone podcast and i put my phone in the in the like pocket it stops and it's like whoa yeah it's really weird And it's like, it's kind of a fun party trick because you can be like, hey, check this out. And like, yeah, it's stop. Someone's like, and like, you don't receive calls if your phone is in that pocket, which is kind of annoying if you just like absentmindedly put it in there. And then it's like, hold on. Did you buy it? How much did this bag cost? It's like 200 bucks. Do you think you're the only person that bought one? Is it possible? Is it possible that you're the only person that bought one? There are seven of us, and we are Legion. We found each other on Reddit. We're kind of trading tips, but... I bought it probably like a week, maybe a bit longer than a week after the line came out, and I was order number 1593. So that's not like a good... That's not like a really good order, right? Some people fake those things. I know... at least in streetwear world people you can manipulate those numbers to make it look like more or less okay but like but like 1500 is pretty is pretty low manipulation very low i mean mia is one of mia is one of the greatest downfalls of our time from truly the top of the world beloved to mocked only and and truly worm-brained i mean but she's super rich she's 50 and she looks 30 she looks younger than me actually she looks like 25 you have better skin but yeah thank you so much but i'm literally half her age so like i should fucking have better yeah if i didn't commit suicide on this zoom call to be clear it's very close i for for once i'm not talking about looks but i just mean that the music like

She had three or four. It was a truly beloved crossover, important moment. It's not like Ariel Pink, where he made a couple shitty indie rock records. She made fun, party music, and then... she became kind of politicized and weaponized and radicalized and she no longer wanted to make fun party music anymore because she wasn't the party was over no but her her latest album is still party music like it's still kind of like is it produced is it produced by diplo because i don't want to hear it if it's not there actually are a couple of diplo songs on it i think he's got one or two yeah it's it's like like i i don't think it's necessarily a downfall i think people think she's an idiot But she still headlines festivals and stuff. I think she's one of those people who will be able to twirl. What festival is she headlining, Sean? I don't know. I don't know if it's random. The fucking RNC? The RNC? She's headlining Little Day Out in Perth. Little Day Out? RIP Big Day Out. Thanks for digging that one up, Jason. I think that's really nice to think about the Big Day Out. Little Day Out. I like the idea of the pouch because if you're being tracked by the FBI or the cia or something you can put your phone in that pocket and instantly their radar it just goes blank and then you're untraceable yeah it's you know and you could put your little apple air tag inside of there as well if you're trafficking humans it's a great bag for traffic and it's also it's yeah so it's lined with copper copper fiber So you can't get it wet. Which has been a real problem for me. It's been a real problem for this rainy, rainy summer we've been having. I know sometimes, after a few too many, you spill your Boddingtons on your bag, and then we're in trouble. I don't know what Boddingtons is, but I do be spilling drinks on my bag. You don't know what Boddingtons is? oh i've like never heard of that it's probably before is that like is that like british is that like british in the way that fosters is australian because like in australia like no one's heard of i went through a phase where a lot of my a lot of my friends drank yeah it was a it was a mod thing to drink yeah it was kind of a mod yeah it was like a brit lover thing to drink are you guys have you guys seen these absolute right yeah have you guys seen this it's kind of the drink of the summer it's so good i

It's like... Sipping on Sprite. I don't know. It's... Yeah, it just tastes like... Are you cracking one right now? I'm cracking one right now. So that's a hard Sprite, is what you're drinking. Yeah, it's a hard... It's an absolute branded hard Sprite. Nice little gradient on the can. Yeah, where'd they get those colors from? It's one of the best... I wonder if you can hear this. Maybe you can... Hopefully, the listeners at home will be able to hear that. Delicious fizz. It's one of the best new inventions. I'm, like, never amazed by products anymore. Like... beverage products but it's kind of special okay you heard it here first i don't think that has made it stateside i have not seen those in america i don't know if they've passed the fda yeah i feel like this might be i feel like this might be a uk this is a white label innovation in the drinking space over here they like you guys are always finding new ways to get fucked up yeah exactly yeah you are you really are you really are are you gonna come to our show yeah well but it's on my birthday so you'll have to kind of do some kind of tribute oh that's right all right well you know what Jason, let's remember, tell our team to make sure they get a cake for Shad for his birthday. Yes! What kind of cake, what flavor cake do you want? No ice cream, you know how that goes. I'm not like a cake guy, but like, plain? Plain? Is that a... Plain? You sound like me, bro! Come on, not plain! Is that a cake flavor? I'm trying to... Oh, what's that, um... I was such a craving for a plain cake right now. What's the bakery? Like, the special, the, like, cute bakery. Violet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, violet. It has to be a violet cake. I would love to get you a violet cake, but it's a little far out. Slow down, Diva. It's a little far out. I might have to go to the Sprinkles ATM over there in Soho. The one string you can't pull. I'll see what they have at the Sainsbury. I'll get you a cake from Boots. Okay, just as long as there's something in my honor, I'll be there. Actually, I think, Jason, I think it's more appropriate if we get him a slice from Tesco Express. We'll have the hard Sprite in the green room for you. Slice of cake, not pizza.

Don't worry, you can't get a slice of pizza. You can't get a single slice of pizza like... anywhere here and when you can it's like disgusting so do we have to go out after the show because it's your birthday yeah i yeah no yes yes exactly what what pub or what pub are you taking us to my god maybe we should maybe we should hit the club like kind of like like she should be in the club vibes like what club what what what is available to us off top don't say shy girl dj sir i don't know yeah i got i got some i got some i got some irons in the fire i'll never say you will never catch me saying Try to go DJ set. What about DJ Them Jeans? Can you do kind of like a drop-in somewhere? Jason, bring your USB stick. It's Shaw's birthday. I've never flown to London and not brought a USB. Yeah, gay wedding set. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gay wedding set with a couple two-step. We've got a couple garage joints in there. You'll be great. It's garage. It's called garage, Chris. Not where I come from. This is like when I'm in France. I'm not going to say we. I'm going to say yes, goddammit. I'm going to say I listen to Speed Garage. listen to speed garage speed garage yeah okay i'm gonna start saying that and then getting kicked out of clubs i would love to i would love to get kicked out of the club um all right well happy birthday that's gonna be fun um and yeah just go ahead and buy your tickets and then we'll see you after the show it'd be great yeah yeah save your receipt though save your receipt and we'll make sure you got reimbursed we'll reimburse it expense that to one of your many outlets you contribute if you guys like to read about music shod's one of our preemptive voices that we have oh my god yeah he's emerging it's true honestly it's true and that's how bad it's not boring that you are at the forefront it's yeah it's kind of how bad it's gotten it's gotten so bad that a 26 year old australian is taking the reins it's i if i makes me sick makes me sick wow i like your donald trump impression oh i actually hadn't thought of it that was just kind of like

pure pure shard kind of like off the cuff but maybe i can work it into an impression are you going out tonight uh no i'm just i'm just gonna get a drink with a friend and then pass out in bed alone well with my boyfriend but yeah if you ever dj i think your dj name should be pure shard and it has a nice fred again that is that i will say actually yeah like maybe i could give fred again if you can give me some kind of like production lessons I reckon I could usurp Fred again. I do too. Besides Brian Eno being his uncle, you have a lot more going for you. So, you guys, why don't you be too much? No, we love you. Thank you, Shad, for doing How Long Gone. Oh, I've got to ask. I got the call late. I have to assume someone pulled out. No, no, no. Actually, no one pulled out. It's because we're traveling. It's because we waited until the last minute because we have to go to Newport Folk Festival tomorrow, which is when we usually record. Oh, fun. We normally record on Thursday, but we're going to be in transit all day. Check out the lineup at Newport Folk Festival if there's anything I need to check out that I'm missing. How long gone? big thief if there's any i wish it was big thief it's adrian langer solo and buck meek okay if it was big thief i mean like i want to know what happened with the band with the little inter-band drama what's the inter-band drama oh the drummer the drummer was giving uh pro israel vibes he's from israel he's from israel i heard that's not why he was they were gonna play that was the whole thing what did what did you hear what did you hear something different i heard that they had political differences and they agreed to part ways it's probably has to do it it probably has to do with adrian linker bringing her dog everywhere and he was just sick of it i heard it wasn't israel related but like i don't i just want to know The bus smells crazy. I am out of here. He's like, we're doing really well. We're making a lot of money. You don't have to use your reusable water bottle as a slide anymore. You don't have to do this. You can get a slide from Guitar Center.

oh that's that's the oh i wouldn't you couldn't pay me the drummer is like if i'm not the stinkiest one in this band then that is a problem that drummer has got swag though i love how he plays i can't lie i love how he plays yeah i know that too i know that to a best smell crazy the drummer's like the yeah i i think you're right actually i think you're right doesn't really matter Same difference. The rhythm section, we can trade them out. I think it's actually the bass player. Sorry, did I say drummer? I think it's bass player. No, and I haven't heard about it from you. You guys check out Shod on all of the platforms. He's everywhere. Actually, it's only Instagram. I don't have any other. Is that true? I've got a burner Twitter where I pretend to be a small blind dog. But public facing, I've only got Instagram. Find you on Instagram. Thanks, Sean. It was a pleasure. We'll see you in a couple weeks. Toodaloo. Love you, mate. Love you, guys. I'll see you soon. Later. Bye.