408. - Margo Price

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Okay. How long gone? We're back. A rare first day of the week podcast due to some travel scheduling. But we're settling back into our L.A. routines. I get to do it for a solid 24 hours. So I'm feeling pretty happy about that. This is the first podcast live back from the renovated crib. Jason's going to be very upset about that because the sound quality will diminish, of course. But I am happy to be home. Did the sound quality get worse after the remodel? Is your house more reverberated and chamber-like? No, I think it's about the same. No structural changes, of course, but we didn't add more. Since you have a more expensive bathtub now, is that... I don't know the angle of how it's bouncing sound in there. Hopefully you're not recording in there. I was doing some research for a story I'm writing, and I was reading about an acoustician. So maybe we could hire him to kind of come through and just do a little... I've known a lot of virgins in the club who are acousticians. You can find him walking around with an iPad, Nathan for you style. The only thing you're touching is knobs, bro, and it ain't even your own. It ain't even your own. I feel great. I'm glad to be back in SoCal, but I am starting to get a little cold and freezy. I had to bust out the quarter zip.

fleece this morning as i trotted around the park oh no it's tough i mean luckily i have this sauna in my house i mean i otherwise without it my little frail bones will die no i i know that's i know that to be true and i i kind of worry about you and i did go i was able to go back to the air one market um yesterday last last night for some um for dinner and man it's it's depressing how good it felt I can't say it. I can't. I'm embarrassed at how happy it made me, and just seeing those trash people made me feel so good, because it's familiar. So is it like a Stockholm Syndrome kind of thing? I believe so. It has a little bit of that, I guess. I don't know. I believe that Erwan and I are in an abusive relationship, and I am being held captive a little bit, and I keep saying my safe word, which is nootropics, and they don't listen. I can't quit you, Ken Euphorix. Exactly, exactly. So I got back there. It felt nice. nice but yesterday there was some wild stuff going on in la we didn't see it physically but we saw it online i know one wild thing i saw over on the 405 freeway kanye's kanye's cronies is that what you're talking about yes yes these guys probably don't even look they probably don't even like kanye west i'm gonna guess they might even not like black people You're talking about Nazis? I'm talking about Nazis. Yeah, there's a good chance. The issue is that when someone of Kanye's stature says things like he said, it does embolden other idiots to kind of speak out where they may not have felt the confidence before, which is, you know, obviously you can draw a direct line to Kanye in this case because I don't think these guys, well, first of all, these guys mentioned Kanye on their sign. Yes. So it wasn't, you know, but I think that they're more making a point that like, hey, this famous guy believes this stuff as well, so we feel empowered to spew this on a highway overpass with a crudely designed sign. Right, and the sweet, sweet irony that it's one of your own Hollywood elite pop star musicians.

and not, you know, Ted Cruz or something like that. Yeah, no, exactly. That it's like, yeah, one of your own or someone. I guess in a similar way that Nazis probably hate gay people, but they love Tim Dillon. You know what I mean? Yeah, you can find a way to appreciate, but it's a pretty dark, I mean, I don't know, man. That's pretty fucking wild. And it's like, I mean, I think the direct line can be drawn, not only obviously because they mentioned his name, but because it does kind of, you know, I think that... it's very easy for people to feel empowered if they have some dark beliefs, if there's even a flicker of light that they see. You know what I mean? They feel like, okay, this is my chance. I can get some bedsheets from Walmart and spray paint some slogans on them and hang them over a highway overpass. Hit them where it hurts. It's dark, but so CAA dropped him this morning, and now everyone is kind of like, what's Adidas going to do? Because they have obviously... Clock's ticking. a considerable amount of money to lose more than anyone else involved in this. And this goes back to my theory, though. I don't think Kanye West is as rich as he claims to be or that people think that he is. I think he may have been rich, but maybe not as much at this current, current moment. And I think that Adidas does have a lot of money on the line with Kanye. They've made a lot of money on his back through his designs and his work and all that stuff. I'm assuming that their stock is really taking a massive shit right now, so you kind of have to cut your losses and run. Well, that's my thing. If you're Adidas and you don't feel compelled to do the right thing, then you can at least look at the numbers and be like, well, I don't think... anybody's gonna buy like i don't think anybody's gonna buy kanye west shoes anymore anyway yeah so you can you can do the right thing which you should do anyway and you can also save yourself from a a you know financial issue as well one thing i haven't seen are people doing the yeezy burnings

you know, the public burnings of Yeezy merchandise. That's actually, that's a good point. That's a good point. I mean, the shoes are valuable, but so were Nikes, you know, when they would burn Nikes. They're also flammable. They're also flammable. At least they were valuable. I'd be curious to see what... More so what the stock X on some 350s are looking like versus Adidas Corporation year to date. Yes, of course. 2022. YTD. Yeah, I was actually talking to a friend of mine, Dano, and he is a longtime Kanye West fan over the years, and he actually has a Kanye West tattoo, like the college dropout, like teddy bear. Oh, yeah. Tattoo on his forearm. And we were discussing the post where everyone in L.A. and most likely America saw on Twitter and social media, here are some Nazis hanging out on the 405, seeking Heil on a Saturday afternoon, and not a single person is whooping their ass incessantly. That was one thing I didn't understand. If I'm driving down the street and I see a group of fucking honkies seek heiling in public, how did nobody – I mean, throw a fucking milkshake at their head at the very least, let alone grab them by their britches and toss them over in hopes of – You can at least hit them with vanilla from In-N-Out, if nothing else. You know what I mean? That's going to ruin their day. That was a whole other thing. But to your point about damaging the brand, my friend Dan was like, It was kind of funny for a while, and now I'm like, well, I guess I need to start looking into tattoo removal or figuring out what I'm going to do because I just can't have this fucking tattoo anymore. Yeah, no, he's got to cover it up. He's got to cover it up. And my suggestion was we take, in the spirit of if you see a Nazi punch a Nazi kind of energy. Uh-huh. We take a friend of the show, Pantera. Unfortunately, they are a little Nazi-ish themselves, but their album, the classic 93 album, Vulgar Display of Power, the fist punching, I'm assuming a hippie for his hippie crime, so you get the Vulgar Display of Power arm punching the Kanye West teddy bear college dropout, and then I'm assuming the teddy bear has a grimace on his face because...

He's going to hit so hard. Damn, that's a great idea. Not only artistically, but also just a clever solve. But I think that this is the... It's a clever solve. It's a clever solve. Goners out there, please Photoshop that for us. Yeah, I mean, it's a fucking crazy... It's pretty fucking unacceptable. It's pretty wild. The whole thing is pretty fucking wild. And I'm interested to see how it plays out. But it's not... I just don't know what... How far can the apologist take it? That's the end of the road, chief. You know what I'm saying? That's kind of it. Because I think it's like when bozos follow him into the fire at this level, it's pretty telling how bad it's gotten. So that's where How Long Gone stands on the issue. It's tough when you have that level of mental trauma or whatever mental state he's in that is making him. Yeah, exactly. Things like that. They don't have access to literally hundreds of millions of dollars and the DMs of every famous person in the world. They can't text Donald Trump and be like, LOL, what if you did this? So he needs to be 5150 probably. Yeah, but people keep... At a certain point, I'm like, I don't give a fuck what your reason is. We're done. Like, I don't care if it's Hennessy and cocaine or if it's schizophrenia. Like, none of that matters to me. Well, I mean, 5150ing, that's a duh. I mean, the other, I mean, what is actually your done? Like, jail time? Death sentence? What is it? I think that maybe tackled. You know what I mean? And kind of, you know, just kind of put somewhere for a little while to think about what he's done. Just have a local big man grab him and be like, go to sleep. Go to sleep.

Local big man. Like when somebody's freaking out somewhere and the big, nice security guy just grabs you and be like, all right, we're all done here. The more you wiggle, the more I squeeze. Exactly. That's what we need to do. Jesus Christ, what a time. We do have a guest today. Nashville's own Margot Price is joining us. She was nominated for a Grammy, actually, Jason, for her Best New Artist in 2018. She has a new album coming out very soon. There's a couple singles. The album is called Strays, which hopefully she doesn't catch any today on this podcast. It comes out... Comes out January 13th on Loma Vista, and she's also a fellow podcaster. Yeah, she's had, you know, Grateful Dead on her fucking podcast, so that's pretty impressive. We haven't even gotten married yet. No, she's got hella kids, too, so I can't wait to talk. She's got hella kids. She's got hella kids, and she's been... And in my opinion, after listening to her music, she's got a very Stevie Nicks-ian voice to her. No, that's true. It does have a raspy power. I would agree with you. I would agree with you, but let's... Yeah. It looks like, thank God for not only you, Jason, but for the listeners, Country Chris gets to be engaged one more time. She's chucking the saddle on once again. Exactly. I'm polishing my spurs while we give Margo a buzz. Country Chris can't survive. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do all our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area.

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handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app. using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book Trusted Home Help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. You're not recording locally on your end, right? Yeah, I'm just in a hotel room, so I don't have any technology with me. Technology? Is that an L-A-G reference? Technology. That is an L-A-G reference. Thank you for noticing. No problem. No problem. So you're telling me when you're on the road, you don't carry all of your equipment you need to do your actual job, but then also your podcasting equipment? I'm a little shocked to hear that. Just technologically inept. You have somebody else for those things, I'm assuming. Where are you coming from? What city in this beautiful country? I am in Chicago. Oh, well. Bummer. Yeah. What's up in Chicago? Because we go back and forth on Chicago. How do you feel about it? Well, you know, I'm an Illinois native, so. Oh, no. But I don't live here. That's the thing about people. From Illinois, we love to talk about how we're from Illinois, but none of us live here. Love it so much, couldn't wait to get out. I moved away when I was not even 21, so I couldn't go out that much. I never really did too much in the city. We lived out in bumfuck Egypt. Excuse me, I probably shouldn't even swear, but that's where I lived.

I didn't know. Don't worry. The worst thing you just said right there was Egypt, by the way. You're fine. Oh, perfect. Okay. Yeah. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. You didn't experience the city as an adult. Yeah. My parents never were like letting me come here often because they were worried, you know, about the city eating me up, I guess. Were they worried because they're trying to protect your voice and they didn't want you to go out and talk? They weren't like tiger mom stage parents. Yeah. It was more of like the dangers of going into the big city of Chicago on your own versus like, you know, we got practice tomorrow and we got your honey and lemon tea and, you know, we can't be eating any deep dishes and messing up the instrument. Yeah, no, I think it was a combination of them being incredibly controlling of their firstborn and being scared for me to drive in the city. Yeah, my mom was a bit of a dance mom. I mean, in the best way. She had good intentions, but I was under lock and key when I was young. And then by the time my sister came along, they had two more of us, and they just didn't even care by the end of it. But I had to break them in. Yeah, so you must have really cut loose when you got out of there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I raised so much hell, but they weren't living by me, so what they didn't know couldn't hurt them, I guess. Yeah, when you're kind of living under lock and key, once you're able to fly, then you really start abusing those drugs, right? Yeah. You're like, yes, exactly what I did. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm just speaking from personal experiences myself. Yeah, no, that's... That's exactly how it went down. I say that it's better that way because I think that when you're like 15, you're really going to make some mistakes if you're partying. Not that I was smart at 21, but I was smarter at 21. You don't even know the difference between Indica and Sativa at that age. Exactly. Nobody cared back then. Is it weed?

sticks and seeds in it whatever i'll smoke out okay it was it was off to the races once did you go straight to nashville did you go somewhere else i lived in dekalb for a couple years i went to northern illinois university and it's just like a suburb of chicago so i went there for two years and then i well actually yeah two years but at the end in the middle of my sophomore year like a big uh mushroom trip and i dropped out and i moved to nashville okay so you're saying you saw god in dekab on some shrooms and you said this this ain't my you're saying this ain't my path anymore your third eye was cracked wide the fuck open and you were going down south i didn't really know what i wanted to do so it was like what's the point of going to school and like getting a degree when you don't know what you want to get a degree for it just you know further drive you into debt so yeah i had a A cousin that lived in Nashville, and she was an even worse influence than I was, and so I moved in with her for a while. You're a terrible influence. Mind if I crash for a while? Can I hang here? So she helped you put down the books and pick up the pedal steel then? She tried to show me the ropes of the city. She was into kind of like different music. Sure. It actually brought me to my first backstage experience, which was she was dating the drummer from the Wailers. His name was Zebulon. We'll call him Zeb. She was a felon. I really didn't think this is where that was going. That's really cool. That's really different. What did that backstage smell like, Margo? Oh, you know. It was the most I'd ever really been exposed to that much reefer backstage. I smoked so much weed and I didn't, uh, food that I, I kind of passed out almost. She, a bunch of people gave me water and just brought me back to life, but it was some really strong, it was like spliffs and like the tobacco in there made me kind of feel, so it was like smoking a scar almost. But, um, yeah. So then she, she and I had a huge falling out and I haven't seen her in a while.

But I wrote about her in my book, and I changed her name, so we'll see if she comes out of the book. Wait, hold on. You changed her name in the book, and she still didn't? Okay, look, if somebody in my life that I spent that much time with writes a book, I'm reading the fucking book. You know what I mean? Yeah. So are you thinking she didn't read it, or are you thinking she didn't want to DM you about it? You know, I don't know. I mean, I put it on Audible, too, so. Look, if this lazy bitch isn't going to read it, she can listen to it. I'm putting it on Audible, too. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like... I haven't heard from her, and I was pretty surprised. Well, luckily she's not the litigious type, right? Yeah, Tom, did you do any other name-changing in the book, or did you kind of try to keep it as real as possible? Yeah, I did a fair amount of name-changing. I probably should have done more because I've been worried that someone's going to sue my ass, but the lawyer said that he had some suggestions when the lawyer read it. university of texas prices lawyer that my publisher he was like well she's accusing an awful lot of people of doing drugs but i don't know if accusing she's not worried about it accusing is a cool way to put it you're like bro you're a lawyer stop sounding like a fucking narc i'm telling the story as it happens i'm not accusing someone of something i'm like They definitely did. Yeah, I saw them. Are you accusing me of lying? Exactly. Turn it around. This whole court is out of order. We had this British DJ who wrote his memoirs and he's like a guy who, you know, he's friends with Kate Moss and Elton John and he's very, very connected and he changed every name. Wow. And his thing was, he said, these stories are so good that it doesn't fucking matter who was involved. Wow. And I was like, That's the coolest way to approach name changing in your memoir is that I don't need any of these famous people's names. I'm good enough. Yeah. Well, my book doesn't have a lot of name drops either, really. I kind of wrote the book in the period of the 10 to 15 years I was struggling in Nashville. So it kind of took place before the name drops, but I still just didn't want to get sued by anybody. And yeah, like I said, I should have changed a couple other names. But there were some instances.

where it was like, even if I change their name, everyone's going to know who I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. You're not slick. At least in my immediate circle. Yeah, yeah. I mean, did you, now how did your, because this is my number one question, is how early on did you tip your parents off to what was happening? Oh, about writing the book? Yeah, yeah. I think I actually heard about it in the press. I don't know that I told them. I love my firstborn so much. Margo's like, Dan, that's a good idea. I should probably let him know. Yeah, yeah. They heard it in the press, and then you get a call from Mom being like, so what's going to be in this book? I hear it's a memoir. you know, that leads people's minds somewhere. Yeah. I mean, I've only spent about 12 pages on my childhood. So there's a lot of glazing over things. I mean, like, you know, my parents are still alive and they've been, they've been good to me. Um, you know, of course we have our issues like any family does, but, um, but I didn't like, yeah, I didn't throw them under the bus for nothing. Sure. Hopefully my plan is to outlive everyone close to me. Yeah. You've got to wait for them to die. Exactly. And then as soon as they all die, I'm hitting publish on that thing. I'm calling my people and we're going to kind of get it out there. It's going to be sitting in the warehouse ready to ship. I was talking to a friend of mine. She had just written this poetry book. This was a few years ago when I was in the middle of the editing process. Her name is Valerie June. She's an incredible musician and songwriter. And she's like, yeah, I wrote this book of poems and she gave me a copy of it. My husband's like, Tell her, babe, you're working on a book right now, too. I was like, yeah, I'm working on a book. Valerie's like, what kind of book is it? I'm like, it's a memoir. I'm kind of embarrassed and everything. She's like, oh, so you're fitting to tell everybody your business. I was like, yeah, I am. That's literally. Now, did you do this because this style of memoir writing is kind of popular right now because you leave the door open for volume two.

Was that where your head was, or did you just think this was the most interesting part of your life at this juncture? Yeah, I really just thought, like, this is the book that I want to write. But, you know, it's just like anything else. Now that I got done with it, I'm like a junkie. I'm like, I could write another book. That would actually be fun. I would love to do, like, you know, I would love to write fiction. I would love to write a collection of short stories. And, you know, I do have a lot of, like, tales from the tour book. type shit that i would love to put out there but again i don't want to like you know write about my legends and meeting them while they're all still alive like that would be maybe kind of right kind of dorky disingenuous that's the problem though i think that there's a little bit of we we hear and see too much about all of our favorites these days and the problem is is that it's so captivating that we can't look away but there was a time where that stuff had nowhere to go yeah you know and now And now you can get paid a lot of money to tell people about it. So it's a little, it's a little bit of a different situation. Yeah. No, no. I was just going to say, I was like having panic attacks. Like when I got done with it, I was like, why am I doing this? Like, yeah. Like I don't need to do this. I have a career. Like this is not my job. Well, I mean, you're doing it. Cause I'm assuming somebody said. would you be down to be fixing to tell folks your business in exchange for this large check? And you're like, yes, I am. No, I really just started writing it as some sick form of therapy, and I thought it would be something that I would put out when I was like 60 or 70, but I just wanted to write a lot of the stuff that happened 15 years ago because... over time, you know, your memories fade and you can't remember all the specifics, you know? So I was like, Oh, I'm just going to start writing this because I was like pregnant and I wasn't touring. I just needed something to keep me busy. And, and then, uh, Jessica Hopper reached out and she was like, I heard you're writing a memoir. Like, can I read the manuscript? And at that point I'd already written on accident, I'd written 500 pages. And so she's like, yeah, you should.

You're not that old. What the fuck? Double space? No, that was the thing is that I didn't know anything about type spacing, so I thought it was like 230 pages, and then they informed me that it was much longer. They're like, look, all right, we know you're doing pretty well, but we can't give you 500 pages. That's just a little too much. Yeah. I don't want to read 500 pages about anybody, honestly. That's a lot. So any aspiring writers out there who can't finish that book, just get pregnant. It sounds like that's the, that's the way to get it. Or, you know, most people just get a fucking ghost writer. Like I feel, I really wanted to prove myself as a writer and, and not do that. so I did not go that route. You know, that's impressive, and I think that I agree with you, but at the same time, the thought of me kind of with my feet up on the big desk dictating to some young scribe about all of my cool stories and then getting that email back to me where I just read it and I sound like a fucking genius, it does sound pretty good to me, but I don't know if I want to share in the advance, maybe. I'm a little greedier than you. I don't have as many revenue. a new stream it's margo so you know it's just a little bit different situation that's all just different situation yeah yeah i gotta diversify these days it's like uh hard to make a book in this business so yeah i mean shit i'm like i'll write a book and i'll sell weed and there we go what what do you motherfuckers need just tell me i got it i got it yeah i got a guy i got mints i got flour I got mints. I went to the Margot Price show. The merch was cool, but I ended up leaving with some weed mints, actually, that I was a little more into. Are you able to sell grass on tour, or is that because of the different states? You can't do that. I wish. I haven't been on a headlining tour since 2018. I'm getting ready to do one. It was pregnancy and then COVID.

a wrench in everything. So I don't know, maybe in the States where it's legal or like in Illinois is where I have my, my line of mints. Like maybe I should see if I can sell them at my, what are the, what are the, what are the mints called? Um, so it's through a company that's called nature's grace and wellness. Okay. And, uh, they've, they're a fifth generation family farm that was, They're about an hour and a half away from where I was born and raised. And they were kind of floundering. And so they got into the weed biz. They got, you have to get like on a lottery to be able to even, you know, grow the crop. And they just approached me. They were like, do you want to do like a line of edibles? And so, yeah, we got these men's third. two milligrams, vegan, sugar-free, and there's my pitch. Okay, they're vegan, sugar-free. They're keto. They're keto. And yeah, they're only two milligrams, so you're not going to end up in a coma or seeing aliens in your hotel room or anything like that. Okay, so two milligrams. Unless you take like 10 of them. Sure, sure. You know, if your mom is having a tough day or whatever, two milligrams is cute, you know, getting through a little flight over to Raleigh or something. I like how you think. When you're taking them, are we doing more than two? Has the tolerance gone up at all, Marga? Well, yeah, I've had to do some studies, you know, just to be able to tell my customers. We're going scientific angle. I like it. Yeah, well, they are really tasty. And, you know, if you happen to just have them in your bag, you think like, oh, I'll take two now. And then maybe a couple hours later, you start to get a little mild headache. You're like, oh, maybe I'll take two more. And then you're like, well, actually, I think I'm starting my period. Let me take a third of the fourth minute. So you've been sacrificing your body for science is what it sounds like. That's exactly what I'm doing. Yeah, lots and lots of studies.

You're an astute businesswoman as well as a scientist and a musician. I didn't know we could add more titles to your resume, but we've been able to kind of uncover. Yeah, a psychonaut with the mushrooms. Psychonaut. We're going to get into the mushrooms. We're going to get into the mushrooms. Don't worry. I understand you wrote a book, but this is purely drugs for the rest of the show. I'm sure you're okay with that. Well, the book's got a lot of drugs in it. I only want books with drugs in them, so I'm glad you're kind of speaking my language. I appreciate that. As a career chiefer of the bud, what happens when we get pregnant? That's one thing where, as somebody who enjoys marijuana on a daily basis, the technology is not there for me to have a child yet, so I sympathize for you. I was going to say, are you expecting it? I'm expecting to be expectant. I mean, of course, if I could do that for my life partner, I would. That's incredible. The technology isn't there yet, but what do you do? Does your motherly hormone instinct just release any desire to do marijuana, or is it a little tough every once in a while? No, I didn't do anything when I was pregnant. It's just like food tastes different. All the food that I like normally when I'm pregnant doesn't. taste the same all i wanted to eat was like mac and cheese and peanut butter and had no desire to drink when i was pregnant or smoke anything it just like you get heartburn and headaches and like all i wanted to do was like drink water and tea and i would occasionally drink coffee because i'm a really big coffee drinker but Only in emergency use. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was never like, actually, that's how I figured out that I was pregnant the first time when I was pregnant with my twins, um, back in 2009, I was standing at the end of like our regular bar and I've got my beer, my whiskey shot and all of a sudden I was like, I was like, I don't feel good.

And then I looked down and I was like, man, my boobs look so big. Something is really wrong. This sounds like a good night, I got to say. What is this nightmare? I don't want my drugs, alcohol, cigarettes. And your skin's glowing. Wait, I look hot. Okay, so you sort of get high off of your child's life being generated in your uterus. Yeah, I felt like. Is that fair to say? I just felt like. you know, I wanted everything to be great for my baby. My husband was actually, um, born with cerebral palsy because his mother who gave him up for adoption, um, drank and smoked and she did crack while she was pregnant with him. So, and yeah, well, that'll, that'll. Keep you away from the hard stuff, at least while pregnant. Yeah, I know. It was really sad. She was in a very bad place and had nobody and was sent to a halfway home, and this was in the 70s. So he's forgiven her, and honestly, just by looking at him, no one would ever know that he has had any problems. But when he was a young baby, it was... It was an issue. We assumed that he was hot and could play guitar. He is. He is both. Beautiful. If I were to guess, that's kind of where I would go. How many kids do you guys have? Do you have three kids? Jeremy and I had twin boys in 2010. And one of my sons was born with a heart defect and he went through a surgery at Vanderbilt and we lost him when he was a couple of weeks old. And so we went through a really tough time after that as any couple would. And, you know, our career was in the toilet. Things were not going well for us, but, um, but you know, our, our son Judah was incredible. And, you know, like Elvis who lost his twin, he was like,

you know, lives a big enough life for two kids. He's got just like the best personality and he's just incredible, incredible kid. He's 12 now, which is really wild for me to say out loud. It makes me feel fucking old. That's a crazy, yeah, I mean, I would, I just, I mean, that's a crazy story and I'm glad that it, that you've, you know, figured it out in the way that you have, but I mean, we're, I think. If Wikipedia is true, we're all very close in age. Yes. Me, you, Jason, myself, and the fact that you have a 12-year-old is shocking. It really is shocking. I know. Because you have a lot more going on than we do. I don't know. If it makes you feel better, Margo, I'm older than you probably. Okay, yeah. If you ever feel old. Yeah, I mean, I feel, it's funny because sometimes I feel like mentally really old, but physically I feel really good. And I have a three-year-old too, and I'm like, you know, I'm feeling better than I have in a while because I did just give up the booze like less than two years ago. So that's just been like this kind of superhero thing that I've, you know, I just, I feel like I have. I have a lot of energy, and I'm feeling really healthy. But, yeah, I got two kids. You're feeling iry. Yeah. Yeah, you're feeling iry. Hanging out with the whalers down there. Do you bring the whole squad on the road? Is it like husband on lead and then the kids in the bus? Or are you not? I guess he's 12. He's got to be in school. So, yeah, they come out when it makes sense. Like, yeah, my son still, you know, likes to skip. school sometimes and come out on the tour bus and play like video games. No, that's crazy. That's crazy. You don't say your 12 year old likes to skip school and go on the tour bus. Yeah, no, that's wild. But like my mom travels with and my little sister, they come nanny and my mom was a school teacher for her entire career. So she can help him do homework. But does he think you're cool or is he in a phase where he thinks you're like, I... Luckily, he still thinks I'm...

I'm really cool right now. Okay. I wish mommy made Billie Eilish music instead. I don't want to be country anymore. Well, honestly, wait for this next record. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, okay. I mean, yeah, it's not country. I wouldn't say that it's country, but I'm sure some people just lump me in that category anyway because there's like maybe an acoustic guitar on it. Yeah, people get confused. I hope you didn't pull a Casey Musgraves on us. We don't need a sophomore slump. You know what I mean? I'll tell you what. This album is really fucking good. I did it with Jonathan Wilson. I don't know if you know who Jonathan Wilson is. Oh, shit. Okay, of course. Yeah, of course. Of course. I adore his production and the band tonight. Had a hell of a time making it. We went out to Topanga Canyon, and we recorded 19 songs. Yeah, you were on your little L.A. shit. Yeah, a little bit. Topanga's a great place to do mushrooms, isn't it? It sure is. Now, what do you think about L.A.? Do you think we're some city slicker assholes, or do you kind of like to dip in and dip out? You secretly like it, I can feel. I like it, and I feel so like... uh, ousted from Nashville sometimes that it's like, I'm like, where can I go? Where can I go? Do you have beef? Do you have beef with rascal flats? If you need me to talk to him, I can. I got beef with all those motherfuckers. Yeah. I just like had a Twitter fight with John rich last week for some dumb reason. I don't know because I just think he's a moron, but, um, yeah, it's, you know, Nashville's just, it's, There's a part of it that I really can get down with. And, you know, there's a lot of people there that I love, that I absolutely adore and a lot of good friends there. You know, Brittany Howard lives there. I get to hang with her. Tyler Childers lives not too far away. Sturgill Simpson. Jenny Lewis has actually been living there part-time. She's a transplant. Nashville, people really had such a hard-on for it five, six years ago. I visited a lot because I had a lot of friends move there because I'm from Atlanta and just people from New York. I was always like,

I really like Rolf and Daughters, and that's about it, kind of. I didn't really get it. I don't really get it. I just don't really get it. Well, did you go to just like downtown Broadway, or did you go to like – No, no, no. All my friends live in East Nashville. I did all the stuff I was supposed to do. Okay. I did all the cool stuff I was supposed to do, and I'm like, yeah, this is cool, but it doesn't look like much, if I'm being honest. We went to the natural wine store. We did everything. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Well, for me, it's like – the the nature and the space there i mean yeah yeah that's kind of kind of where it's at i don't know if you went to any waterfalls because we have waterfalls that look like hawaii what about when you're sober how do they look when you're not fucking we're not peaking on three milligrams they still look great i really only had a microdose when i went because there's a lot of hiking um I just like to spend. Yeah, I don't live in Nashville proper anymore. I don't live in East Nashville. We moved out to a little town that's called White's Creek. But, you know, I just I I don't know if I'm going to stay there forever. There's it's really been hard during the pandemic to just kind of like look at the politicians and like look at, you know, the way that they're treating women. their laws and it's still the south that's what people that's what people forget it's like it's still the south yeah it's not yeah nashville is a liberal bubble but there's still a lot of what's the nice what's the nice neighborhood nashville like where where where am i going to run into weiss riverspoon at whole foods so i mean there's like very hills cool german town there's No, no, no. I'm talking about the fucked up old... Oh, right. That's like Franklin, Belle Mead, Bellevue. It's got a bell in it. That's where all the rich people go. Okay, I'm going to check that out next time so I can feel a little more comfortable. That's just kind of what I like to be around personally. Only...

No, not celebrities. No, I prefer not celebrities, actually. Just rich. I don't need them to be famous. That's just a bonus. If they're good at something, that's just merely a bonus. See, now your LA is really showing. Topanga is very charming, but there's no cell service. So it's like I don't really get up there much. And all my friends who live there, they really do live the... I meditate for 40 minutes. I surf at 5 a.m. I do a sound bath on Fridays. They're really about that shit. And it's also the only place in L.A. where you still have to pee in an outhouse. So it probably is very comforting for a Tennessean. That's true. That's a good point. Country girl can survive. I'll just go outside. I don't need an outhouse. Who wants to go in one of those? They're terrible. They're so dirty. Now, do you have any L.A. spots that you really gravitate towards when you're here recording? Are there restaurants, maybe a local Pilates studio? Were you able to rustle up some grub that wasn't half bad? Well, let's see. I'm trying to think of the place. We stayed in Sapanga. I guess I stayed in Malibu a little bit, too. Actually, one of the times I was there, a fire came. The road was closed off to get up to the Airbnb, but my guitar was there and all my stuff. I drove the long way around going 100 miles an hour. My husband was really upset about it, but I was driving. It was really tough on our marriage, but I did get the guitar back, so it's all good. Sorry, babe. It's a sick-ass guitar. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, babe. It was the 1965 Gibson. Whoa. Irreplaceable. That's something you're willing to die over. So when I was out in Topanga, I went to, like, Topanga Living Cafe and, like, whatever, you know, those restaurants that are out there. In at the 7th Ray? Yes. I went there about three times that I was trying to think of the name of that place with all the cool trees in the background and stuff. Yeah, but what about, like, when your agent from CAA wants to take you to dinner, you know, in this part of town? You go hit Nobu on PCH over there in Malibu. Sushi Park. I'm trying to think of some of the cool places. Is that right? Okay, okay. Hit Sugarfish.

Look, I don't know if your husband likes you hanging out with Diplo. Oh, no. Jason hates sugar fish. Diplo? Jason hates sugar fish. You hate sugar fish? Yeah. It's a soulless sushi. It's my cross to bear. Most people disagree with me. Yeah, but I'm living in a landlocked area with just cream cheese and deep fried everything. So when we go out there, it's like, you got it. Right, right, right. You got to hit it at least once. I'm trying to think, what is that really cool bar where you walk through the refrigerator door? Oh. Good Time Davey Waynes is at it. Oh, Good Time Davey Waynes. Good Time Davey Waynes is like a That 70s Show cast member type hangout. So I'm pretty impressed that you found that. A Wilmer Valderrama haunt. Exactly. You can see. You could see Wilmer bellied up to the bar asking for 818 meat if you don't watch out on a Tuesday. Well, let's talk about mushrooms a little bit. You are a shroom lover, and you were mentioning that that was sort of the catalyst for moving out and coming out to Nashville. You were 19? Is that what it was? Okay, so I was 19 when I did my first hit of mushrooms, and I did a full – I think I did a full eighth. and I did it at Disneyland. Where did you do yours at? Disney, that's amazing. Yeah, when I was peeking on it, Disneyland appeared to have a clear glass dome around it, which was sort of a metaphor for our Earth. It was pretty far out. Yeah, I can imagine it would be quite the place to trip for the first time. I just took them with this ex-boyfriend of mine, and he came up to the college where I was going. It was just DeKalb, Illinois, and we just... took them and like kind of early in the morning and then we just went to a park and we just sat outside and perfect it was yeah it was great it was kind of it was really kind of scary at times you know it was uh there were dark points and and but at the end it was it was a really great experience and yeah just absolutely changed the course of my life i mean i was like a varsity cheerleader i was

I know, right? I tried to bury that dirty little secret for a while. But I just think it's interesting that, you know, that it affected me the way that it did because I didn't know what I wanted to do. My parents were like, you need to study communications. You know, you should write commercials. You're creative. So that would be a good job for you to just kind of go to school. But then that wasn't really working for me. I was... drinking a ton my freshman year as I said um ended up in the hospital with alcohol poisoning after doing 30 shots of vodka so what uh yeah 30 shots of vodka it was kind of an accident I was really only trying to do like 14 or 15 but it was like It was a big shot last. They were kind of like double. I see. They tricked you. Like at the airport, they tricked you into a double. Yeah. Okay, I see. Yeah, the bartender that always thinks that they're doing you a solid, but they're like pouring you the biggest shots. You're like, no, just a regular one. I don't need that. I'm actually all set. Officer, this was an accident. I did not mean to get 30 shots drunk. Yeah. I only meant to get 50. So, yeah, then. I kind of quit. That scared the hell out of me. I quit drinking. I became a stoner at that point and took this big dose of mushrooms, decided not to try out for cheerleading, dropped out of school just a few months later. And I really was thinking about moving to Los Angeles or New York, but my parents were terrified for me to leave and be that far away. So they convinced me to. check out Nashville. And it was like, once I started seeing all these cool, like underground indie bands and like rock bands and, you know, the, the other side that I wasn't seeing and hearing through the radio and like Nashville star and all that, you know, kind of garbage that was going on then in my humble opinion. Uh, then yeah, I, I actually really, really liked it. And, but obviously things didn't, uh, take off for me immediately. And it was just,

A lot of floundering, a lot of going through different bands, different projects, different sounds, falling for people that maybe were just didn't have my best interest in mind, managers that wanted to be on retainer. No, not the manager on retainer. Not the manager on retainer. That's the most offensive thing you've said yet. No. Oh, my gosh. And now she's just. It's a realtor, so joke's on here now. You're like, bitch, your shit is still commission-based. I told you. Yes, yeah. But yeah, it was a weird thing to do, to drop out and move there and pursue music, especially when it wasn't going well. It was like everybody from my small hometown was like... So what are you doing out there? Are you going to have babies soon? Well, that's what we always say about Nashville is everybody's 22 and religious and has two kids and is like a little too good looking. That is the vibe there. Oh my God. All my friends are ugly and not even married. Hardly any of my friends have kids. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, like. I don't trust people that are too good looking. I didn't get to check you guys out for too long, but I did get to see your photos. So you're saying that you trust us or you don't trust us? I feel very comfortable talking to you guys. Let's just say that. It was a Waylon quote. Too dumb for New York City, too ugly for LA. That's where I'm at. No, I understand. I think that slogan has really hit home with people because the accuracy is there. It really does. It's too truthful, and it hits you right in the gut. Yeah, this could be a song idea, by the way. Yeah. A lot of people can relate to all my friends are too ugly to be impregnated is sort of the ethos of this. Yeah, that's kind of, it doesn't roll off the tongue, but we could workshop this. Well, I think it's because most of my friends are guys and they're all men, so it's really hard to keep girlfriends, you know, maybe even more than what I'm talking about. And then my, yeah, even my, I have a lot of girlfriends that, you know, play music and they just don't want to have kids and don't want to get married because.

you know, why would you bring the government into something as beautiful as love? I don't know. Amen, brother. Wow. Wow. Okay. You know it. So you're running, you're running for office as well. I see. Yeah. Interesting. Um, yeah, I don't, I mean, I think that like, yeah, I mean, if you're in a band, it's like, and you're a guy and you're, you know, a Nashville seven, you're going to do pretty good out on the road. You know, you don't really need to kind of hold it down at home. I think it is really just, you know, it's hard. It's hard out there. Now, hold on. When you're looking at musicians to put – I'm sure you have your guys locked in now. But when you were auditioning, let's say, to be in the band, let's keep it 1,000 how much your looks and dressing style playing into it. I don't care how hard you can fucking shred. We can't have you up there looking like a goblin. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think you pull the hat down low. Can you play well? I talk about a lot of my ex-boyfriends in my book. Well, not a lot of them, but a couple of them. I have this Nashville cat that I dated for a while. I changed his name in the book to Hank. I won't reveal his real name, but... He wore rose-colored glasses, and he had a beer belly, and he wore a wife beater, but man, could he play guitar. He could sing so well. It's beautiful. He wasn't the cutest thing. He wasn't the cutest thing. So this was Hank III, you said? He had great teeth. He had dimples. Whatever. He had redeeming qualities, but I think that he looked probably 10 years older than he was. It's pretty amazing the way that women are able to look past. It's truly one of the... the laundry list of things that women are able to do that, that men really struggle with. And that's look past. I know, I know it's, you know, like men get to really just like rely on their personality sometimes. Well, as person, as podcasters, personality is kind of all we've got. Yeah, that's all we've got. It's not a hotties industry. Yeah. I, you know, I got a face for radio, so thanks for having me on.

Yeah, could you turn your camera off, please? It's getting tough over here. You've met a lot of radio guys. You've met a lot of radio people in your time, I'm sure, doing the morning show acoustic set. So you know what it's like up there. It ain't good. I did one radio tour, and it made me feel so yucky. And I didn't even get anywhere. They were all just like, we don't get it. I'm like, okay, well, it's country music, and you're a country radio station. Sorry for wasting your time. you're garbage no it is it's rough but yeah i mean that's another reason why i'm trying to like veer like make a little left turn here and you know i have i have two singles out from my album with jonathan wilson and one of them is called change of heart and it's my first time ever being on the triple a billboard it's like the least country thing i've done yet I love that. I love that for you because as a guy... You're saying there's a chance. Yeah, no, for sure. For sure. I mean, I think that I... Tommy Boy reference. No, no, liar, liar, Jim Carrey. Or wait, no, no, no, no, no. You're saying there's a chance. No, dumb and dumber. Oh, yeah, it is dumb and dumber. You're right. Okay, you fucking dorks. Jesus Christ. Sorry, Chris. We're still stoners, so we like this stuff a little bit. That's a good... That is the difference. Yeah, that is the difference. Well, Jason and I have been listening to a lot of New Country lately because I was in Atlanta for a month while we renovated my house. I was listening to a station there called 94.9 The Bull. Okay. Who'd you take? No, I just heard all these cool songs and just stuff. The simplicity of the lyrics alone. I think really resonated with me. Now, when you say cool songs, Chris, could you explain that a little bit further, like an example? Sorry, housekeeping just came, but I'm going to let him come in. No, I would love you to come in. Thank you. I haven't had housekeeping in three days. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I appreciate it.

You're still doing a podcast? I think I scared the shit out of that poor lady. It was just like, came around the corner and she jumped out of her. I've been expecting you. No, I was, I just think that some of that new, I just, I like the way, and no other genre of music, I feel like references. other songs and other musicians. There was a song I heard that was talking about another current-ish song. His girlfriend was singing it on the jukebox. What was it? I can't remember, but that is a strange... I feel like country music really likes to talk about that. It is such a lazy way to write. It's like, here's something that's already familiar to you. Just think of your own idea. I don't know. I don't listen to that shit. Don't talk about church like that. It's not – okay, church is important to us as well, and I don't think you're going to – I'm not going to let you slander it on this podcast. Yeah, we – actually, Margo, we've – Excuse me. You are forgiven, my lord. We've been doing some live shows, and we've been talking a little bit about that part about the new awful country music that we're talking about where I feel like it's kind of like propaganda for – the church as well as real estate, I guess. Like the main themes are like donate to the church, buy real estate in a red state. Well, don't talk to anybody. Love being from your small town, even though you are all, even though you're all customers. Well, no, I mean, that's totally fine, but it's, yeah, I agree. I just think there's not a lot of depth to it and it's, it is probably a lot of like, Christian slash mega propaganda. I don't know. It just doesn't do anything for me. I feel like it makes me feel bad like they're taking advantage of these good honest country folk by just telling them what to do and it's usually buy an American made truck that you can't afford and shit like that and give the rest of your money to the church.

I mean, Jason, it's only 10%. Don't worry about health insurance. It's only 10% a week, and you don't need health insurance because if something goes wrong, God will save you. Exactly. That's right. You're fine, bro. It's all good. You can kind of save that $600 a month. That's no problem. Yeah. It's no problem. Now, Margo, now that you're pivoting away, but do you still drive a truck or is it just a Range Rover? You got a Chelsea tractor? I drive a Jeep truck. You have one of those fucked up Jeep trucks? Yeah, I do. What the fuck? It's like a desert sand kind of color, so it's a really, like, army. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like a Safari Jeep. This is very interesting for you. This is a big twist, I have to say. I was not expecting this. I have a minivan with Dolly Parton license plates, too, so there's variety. Oh, wow. Okay, so you have a fleet. It hasn't had this, like, old blue Mustang, so between our vehicles, our vehicle choices, it's. You've got a couple hot little grocery gutters over there is what it sounds like. Yeah, exactly. So how often, just quickly so I understand, because the Jeep truck has baffled me since I saw it for the first time. Really? Yeah, because it's just, I don't know if it's a combination that needs to exist. So I would like to understand why you were so drawn to purchasing that vehicle. Well, to clarify for our listeners, you're talking about like the very large. jeep that's in the style of a pickup truck but it's also but you know like it's not like a typical it's a jeep gladiator so it's like small it's a pretty small truck oh okay honestly maybe we're talking about something different it's a jeep truck it's boxy it's very boxy yeah so i bet it is maybe the same one but i'm saying compared to like a ford f-150 or something it still is a lot okay smaller i just liked it because it kind of looks like vintage because everything is so like sleek and round. And I was like, Oh, this thing's cool. This is like, This is a nice square American car I can wrap my head around. Yeah. I like to garden, so every year I go get a big thing of dirt, and I like to haul firewood, and I like to put my dogs in the back and go hiking. So you buy dirt? Is that what you're saying? I have bought dirt. Wow. Yeah, I bought the topsoil for my garden. This is so sick. Margo, you're living the country life that only I can dream of, and I think that the thought of you...

A Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter just loading up her Jeep with fucking dirt? Like, what the fuck? Not even just dirt, like manure. I bought shit. I bought shit. I bought shit. I put on my boots, I shoveled it out, and I grew the best tomatoes. I mean, you couldn't even touch these tomatoes, I swear to God. Oh, really? Okay. I mean, so on the Gladiator question. I hope I get a sponsorship from this. It's very possible. We have a lot of big auto listening to this podcast. It's one of our buckets. Rivian and Nissan are in our pockets. I haven't got to Jeep yet, but I am a fan of the Jeep, of course. Obviously, you've had the doors on the Gladiator professionally removed. Do you go raw dog, no condom, or do you have the fabric canvas doors? No, I keep the doors on. I take the top off. You keep the doors on? I take the top off. I like to take the top off. top off but i don't i don't want all my shit blown out my truck's always really dirty there's always like a lot of stuff in there like notebooks and books and kids toys sometimes i drive my kids around in it like it's it's fun for them yeah it's fun for them it's i just got it detailed because it was i'd only had it for like two years and it just there's dog hair and cheerios everywhere and shit Oh, that's my least favorite when the car gets the Cheerios in it from the kids, and then they put the stickers on the back inside window. I have to have my 911 detailed every day for that reason. There's so many Cheerios in there. No, the other question I have, just after spending so much time in the South, and I was familiar with this before, and my mom is a big proponent of this, but are you familiar with the Tervis brand Tumbler? Is this like a cup? For beverages? Is this like a dance mom's cup? Look, my mother was a Rockette. Thank you for kind of acknowledging her. Are you serious? That's really cool. It was only for a little while. She's mainly a nurse. Chris also has a cousin named Tervis, right? Yeah, exactly. I have a cousin Tervis. Is he on country radio too? No, no, no. He's a contractor. He's doing pretty well actually right now. Tervis is Tervis. He's a simple-minded folk, but he gets the job done. I just find these cups.

I bought one as a gift because you can customize them, and they claim to be indestructible. I thought for someone living the lifestyle that you're living, I would maybe suggest investing in a few if you're trying to stay hydrated. I'm a Yeti girl. Yeti likes to send me lots of coolers and stuff. I've got Yeti dog bowls. Jesus Christ. I'm totally dead serious. You're a Yeti fluencer is what you're saying? Yes, you are. I mean, you know, I played a couple of their shows in Austin. So like one year for Christmas, everybody in my family got Yeti coolers. It was like, I was, I was the coolest. Oh, is that that thing where at the, at the Yeti store, like during South by Southwest, they'll have bands play and stuff like that. Yeah, this was back in like 2000. 2015 or 2016 or something. It was only one show, but I got in pretty good with one of the guys that worked there. Yeah, Yeti. That's great. It must be annoying to put 10 people from Yeti in the list every time you play Austin, but it's probably worth it. They took me out fishing on the Guadalupe River. Stapleton and Luke Bryan and everybody, and I got the biggest fish of the year. I think it was 2016. I caught a Guadalupe bass, and yeah, it was worth it. Margo's a fucking real one, Jason. Margo's a fucking real one. I got to say Guadalupe bass, good name for your next strain, Margo. Something to think about. That is incredible. When Texas legalizes, that's going to be my name. Over my dead body. Yeah, right. We'll see. I'll be dead, but they'll be legal someday. Yeah, I mean, but like I said, I love L.A. Someday I hope of, you know, maybe moving west. I'll probably be one of those. People you're talking about in Topanga Canyon with the meditation and the singing bowls. I don't know. The guru or whatever. Don't fight it, honey. I'll be shoveling shit. I'll be keeping it real anyway. That's the beauty about California. It's not like New York. You can cosplay as a shit shoveler in LA for sure. I have an Armstrong Garden Center footsteps away from my house in Suburbia. It's no problem. You can load up the Tesla truck when it comes out. Do you know what?

an artist, his name was Johnny Fritz. No. So he moved out to LA. He made a really cool record with, I think maybe Jim James produced it, like inside of an empty swimming pool. He used to go by Johnny Porn Dog. Oh, I do know. I do know Johnny Porn Dog. Yeah, I've heard of that. Yes, I'm familiar. Anyway, he goes by Johnny Fritz now, but he has a website and Instagram, all that shit that is like, I think he goes by, it's like Johnny Fritz, LA's only realtor. And so he has just like become a realtor because I mean, God, there's no money in music anymore. And he puts up the best fucking houses. Like, I swear to God, I follow him. I'm like, Oh God. Should I get that? Should I sell my house? What should I do? Damn, I need to follow him. You need to check it out. So you're saying when he switched from music to real estate, he had to drop the corn dog. That wasn't going to kind of work for the real estate market in LA. My boss at Compass said I got to change my name. Something about they don't think Johnny Corn Dog sounds professional. I don't know. You know, I think he had honestly pivoted before, but he still is a corn dog. He puts up videos of him taking baths. in a tub of dollar bills. He still is a corn dog. You're like, don't worry. He's still a corn dog. You can't take the corn out of the dog is what you're saying. No, no, no. And he's still playing music. He just went and did a tour of Australia. He's fucking awesome. Love it. It's been incredible. He's probably a millionaire by now. It's the most genius idea ever. When he was like, I'm going to become a realtor, we just laughed so hard. And now he's laughing in my face. That's cool. That's cool. We all want a realtor we can trust who feels like they could be a friend. And I feel like that's what Johnny might be leaning on. That's the corn touch. 100%. All right, Margo. Thank you for joining us so much on How Long Gone. And the new album's out in January. It's called Strays, if I'm not mistaken. That's it. That's it. And the book is out now everywhere you buy books, even on Audible if you can't read. That's right. Hopefully I'll be out in January.

Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Cruz for a book tour. Oh, we might. If we're in town, we have to come check you out. Yeah, please do. I need my copy signed, of course. Yeah, yeah. You got anything, I'll put you on the guest list. Oh, cool. I love the guest list, but don't do some bullshit. I need the sticky. Okay. I need the sticky. You got it. Well, you know, we've got soda water too, so I'm hanging out. Chris will get into that. Yeah, I'll take the topos if you don't. Talk to you soon. Bye, y'all. Adios. Change your life.